{"id":31230,"date":"2022-05-05T15:20:18","date_gmt":"2022-05-05T19:20:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www2.stetson.edu\/law\/news\/?p=31230"},"modified":"2022-12-06T11:59:14","modified_gmt":"2022-12-06T16:59:14","slug":"prof-virelli-talks-scotus-ethics-on-acs-panel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www2.stetson.edu\/law\/news\/index.php\/2022\/05\/05\/prof-virelli-talks-scotus-ethics-on-acs-panel\/","title":{"rendered":"Prof. Virelli talks SCOTUS ethics on ACS panel"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"591\" height=\"390\" src=\"https:\/\/www2.stetson.edu\/law\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/SCOTUS-Recusals-Virelli-Image_news.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-31231\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www2.stetson.edu\/law\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/SCOTUS-Recusals-Virelli-Image_news.jpg 591w, https:\/\/www2.stetson.edu\/law\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/SCOTUS-Recusals-Virelli-Image_news-500x330.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 591px) 100vw, 591px\" \/><figcaption>Clockwise from top left: University of Notre Dame Law Professor Veronica Martinez, Stetson Law Professor Louis Virelli III, and Kimberly Humphrey, senior legislative counsel at the Alliance for Justice <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hours before a leaked U.S. Supreme Court opinion on Roe v. Wade sent shockwaves through the public sphere, a panel of legal experts that included Stetson Law Professor and constitutional law expert <strong>Louis J. Virelli III<\/strong> talked ethics standards on the high court and why they\u2019re hard to enforce.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <strong>American Constitution Society<\/strong> discussion focused heavily on recusals in light of calls for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas\u2019 recusal on cases involving his wife, activist Ginni Thomas, and her involvement in the events that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6<sup>th<\/sup>, 2021. The conversation was called \u201cSupreme but not Immune: Creating a Binding Code of Ethics for Supreme Court Justices.\u201d ACS president and former U.S. Senator from Wisconsin <strong>Russ Feingold<\/strong> called the controversy over Justice Thomas \u201cthe proverbial elephant in the room.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThis is an egregious ethical lapse given the Thomases\u2019 close connection as spouses and the existential threat to democracy that its offenders represent,\u201d Feingold said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The lack of a clear solution<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The panel explored how to impose greater accountability to prevent ethical lapses among U.S. Supreme Court justices and why Congress has been limited in its ability to do so. There is, for example, a code of conduct for United States judges, but it doesn\u2019t apply to Supreme Court justices.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cSupreme Court justices are not replaceable,\u201d Virelli, a faculty advisor on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stetson.edu\/law\/campus-life\/american-constitution-society.php\">Stetson Law\u2019s student ACS chapter<\/a>, said. \u201cSo when a Supreme Court justice is recused or recuses themselves, it changes the number and makeup of the court, and therefore you have a different institution.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Congress can technically pass a law enforcing ethical standards, but as Virelli pointed out, there have been 18 proposed laws introduced that would have done this \u2013 and none have passed. Virelli said that every case the court hears has enough of its own nuances that a policy governing recusals and other ethical issues would be weak and unsatisfactory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cMy view is, the best way to do this is to focus on the due process clause and the equivalent of public shaming, where instead of saying a justice did or did not follow a legal standard, the justice is just wrong and being unethical,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Panelist <strong>Veronica Root Martinez<\/strong>, a professor of law at the University of Notre Dame Law School, who researches professional and organizational ethics, countered that public shaming won\u2019t work in the current polarized media environment because of social media.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI don\u2019t think you can be a Supreme Court justice right now without choosing to ignore a lot of the commentary about you,\u201d Martinez said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The congressional route<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martinez said she supports congressional action, given how the state intervenes in many other instances of professional misconduct \u2013 and how Congress already determines the number of Supreme Court justices, what constitutes a quorum, and other factors. An enforceable ethics code might help improve public trust in the court, which is heavily damaged, she said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIt is eroding the legitimacy of the court for people to continue to think the court is increasingly partisan,\u201d Martinez said. \u201cAnd whether that is or is not true, the lack of an ethics standard is contributing to the belief of the public that the court is just a partisan show that isn\u2019t actually putting out objective and legitimate decisions. And that is bad for the rule of law, and that is bad for the country.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If Congress can\u2019t enforce ethical standards and the Supreme Court won\u2019t do it on its own, the solution may need to be a creative one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI think the blame is in justices who are willing to be fast and loose with their ethical obligations. And I don\u2019t know that we can fix that in a traditional legal way,\u201d Virelli said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While debate remained over how to create accountability, the panelists agreed that something needs to be done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe know that these issues have been percolating for some time,\u201d said moderator <strong>Kimberly Humphrey<\/strong>,&nbsp; senior legislative counsel for the Alliance for Justice. \u201cI do believe that it has gotten to a point where it can\u2019t be ignored.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.acslaw.org\/video\/supreme-but-not-immune-creating-a-binding-code-of-ethics-for-supreme-court-justices\/?utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=events&amp;utm_source=20220503_ethics_SCOTUS_postcall\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">panel discussion in its entirety<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hours before a leaked U.S. Supreme Court opinion on Roe v. 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